Robert Trebor Interviews, The - Part 1
Monday, April 13, 2009 at 7:17AM The Robert Trebor Interviews (Part 1)
It is not often that I have access to a Renaissance man of Hollywood like Robert Trebor.
Actor, director, screenwriter, author, monologist, composer and critic, his oeuvre has spanned four decades in film, publishing, television and the stage. He began his entertainment career as a film critic (our simpatico) and has worked with such diverse personalities as John Frankenheimer, Oliver Stone, Lucy Lawless, Rob Zombie, Martin Sheen and Hillary Duff. He is perhaps best known for his continuing role as Salmoneus on the popular Xena and Hercules television shows and is one of the most recognizable character actors working today.
Trebor shows a great openness during our Q & A, reflecting on his craft and the successes/struggles of a working artist in the business of show. He deflects my more lurid, prurient and gossipy bullshit with humor of his own- honestly assessing the difficulties of someone who strives for perfection (and work) in an industry born to pabulum with the occasional hint of artistry.
He might even argue that assessment.
Regardless, it is a rare glimpse into the career of a working Hollywood performer and artist.
His candor and time were greatly appreciated.
The interviews will be posted in segments (every other day for the next two weeks) focusing on his film work first, then the craft of acting, followed by television, stage work and a few fun questions about the industry and film in general.
On Film:
C. Adolph: You were born and raised in Philadelphia and moved out to Los Angeles later in life. My experience is that west coasters are either idiots, flakes or certifiably insane. How is it for a cynical northeasterner out there in Hollywood?
Robert Trebor: My major problem with LA is that it’s not really a city; it’s a tissue of neighborhoods, some of them quite delightful, connected by freeways.
I’ve always been a city guy and I miss the electric street feel of population density and architectural verticality. So, yeah, I miss the canyons of Manhattan, but I don’t miss the twelve degree wind chill.
And there are lots of certifiably insane arts folk on both coasts.
CA: You played an obnoxious hotel owner in Universal Soldier and your scenes were filmed in the middle of nowhere. Was there any nervousness being a Jew in the desert, surrounded by the Aryan likes of Dolph Lundgren, Jean-Claude Van Damme and Roland Emmerich?
RT: They were as swell a bunch of gentiles as you could hope to find in Arizona, and I’d work with them again in a heartbeat. Dolph actually trained to be a chemical engineer and has a very high IQ (this is not bullshit).
I think he modeled to pay for college and found acting to be more fun than atomic weight and ion flow. Jean-Claude found me amusing and good to work with and I’m still waiting for Roland to give me another work assignment. By the way, I got a paid vacation to the Grand Canyon out of this… it was supposed to be a four day gig, but they couldn’t get the UniSol truck to expand laterally (you have to see the film to understand this) so I was kept on location with pay and per diem and, since it was over Labor Day, I had time to see the big ditch at my leisure.
CA: Do you ever question the sanity of it all or the existence of a benevolent god when you have to play second thespian fiddle to actors of Lundgren's or Van Damme's caliber?
Isn’t that a sign that pure evil does exist and essentially guides this planet?
RT: I don’t feel I play second fiddle to anybody under any circumstance. I’m grateful that they had name value to get a film made and to give me a chance to play. AND get a paid trip to the Grand Canyon in the bargain!
CA: You have actually been a film critic and had a fun turn as a passionate, snooty one in The Devil‘s Rejects. You came off a bit like Gene Shalit, only human and informed. You also played a film critic in Martin Short’s Jiminy Glick in LaLaWood. Your character says at one point, “Film criticism itself can be an art form”. Do you buy into that?
RT: It was one of my “cutout scenes”. Now, do I buy into that line I improvised? Yes… although not for the recent vintage of criticism. George Bernard Shaw was a professional theatre critic before he ever wrote a play. Francois Truffaut and Claude Chabrol were film critics for Cahiers du Cinema before they ever directed a frame of film. Penelope Gilliatt was a film critic before she ever wrote the rather good screenplay for Sunday Bloody Sunday. These were all passionate, incipient artists writing about their respective forms in a rather brilliant way, trying to move the art forward. Read some of Shaw’s critiques of Ibsen and Strindberg; whether you agree with him or not, he shapes his argument rather artistically.
CA: Speaking of Jiminy Glick in LalaWood. I have a “Glick-like” question for you. Here goes:
Your first name’s Robert. (low pitched voice) Baaaawb. Like Robert Wagner of Hart to Hart. Boy, that Stefanie Powers sure was one hot piece, wasn’t she? (High pitched voice) Did you ever work with her? Because, if you could arrange it, I’d love to meet her. And I do understand that she’s dead. At least that’s what her agent says (guffaws). What dead person would you like to have worked with, Baaaawb?
RT: Well JIMINY, you got it wrong as usual. Stephanie Powers isn’t dead, you’re probably thinking of Suzanne Pleshette or Charles Nelson Reilly. Steph was The Girl from U.N.C.L.E. But you’re really leching after the Center Square. I would have enjoyed working with Louise Brooks because she never wore a bra and probably needed a good spanking.
CA: On the DVD extras to the Glick film you have an extended bit of very funny improvisation that didn’t make the final cut. Does that just grind your gears as an actor? Particularly when unfunny bits do make it into the film? Or is the paycheck enough?
RT: Actually my entire role was virtually cut out of Jiminy Glick because it wasn’t involved with the murder mystery aspect of the plot. I had two weeks on that film including several enjoyable scenes with Martin Short and I actually did a single seven-minute take in a bar where I trash Orson Welles, Martin Scorsese and Francis Coppola as examples of “failed promise”. I got a nice ovation from the crew after “cut”. I have about two minutes of that scene on my demo reel.
The paycheck wasn’t that much, believe me. We had a lot of fun on and off set riffing with each other and Marty was a joy to work with. We were playing What’s My Line? in the green room waiting for the shot to be ready (this was the big final night awards scene), Marty was the host, I was “John Cleese”, the other actors couldn’t guess who I was so I got a fruit basket.
CA: Your role as fictional radio personality Jeffrey Fisher in Oliver Stone’s 1987 film Talk Radio is my favorite performance of yours. You simply nailed that transition of old radio deejay to the mid-‘80s emerging “shock jock” mentality. It was a treat to recently look back upon that with so much having changed in the medium over the past twenty plus years. Fisher acts as sort of a Cassandra to the ugliness that talk radio would become with the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity, Stern, Imus, Ingraham, etc.
Did you sense that in Fisher’s character at the time? That he might be onto something monstrous coming to devour us and an entire industry?
RT: In 1988 when we shot the film in Dallas the ugliness was already here! In fact Eric (Bogosian) patterned his hair style in the flashback on Howard Stern who was already immensely popular. Imus was really big and I think Limbaugh was starting to bray in many markets. Oliver took Eric and me to a radio station in Dallas where a talk show guy named Dave Gold was holding forth with incendiary conservative views and gleaning a large audience. We saw how he operated the board technically and spoke with him about how he handled difficult calls.
I don’t think Fisher was a Cassandra because the handwriting was already writ large on the wall.
CA: Fisher discovers and nurtures Eric Bogosian’s character as an on-air personality only to realize, in Frankensteinian regret, he has created that which will destroy him. Where, or at what, do you think Jeffrey Fisher would be working now? Still schlepping it around on the airwaves somewhere?
RT: Jeff would not still be working in radio. He would not, to quote Lillian Hellman, “cut his fashion to fit the times” (unlike, say, Dennis Miller). I’d like to think he might be teaching in some highly respected Radio-TV-Film department at my Alma Mater Northwestern.
CA: Is Oliver Stone the absolute tool I believe him to be?
RT: He’s a passionate filmmaker who knows how to goad some pretty terrific performances from his actors. He’s still working and I’d like to work with him again.
CA: How did you get the dual duty of the voice of “Francine”, one of the troubled callers?
RT: Actually I played four different voices in addition to Jeff Fisher; three of them were cut. All the voices were performed live opposite Eric in a sound proof booth on location in Dallas. Some people were hired just as voice actors doing different voice characterizations (Park Overall may be the best example). She became a series regular on Empty Nest shortly after doing this gig. Michael Wincott and I were hired for both on and off-screen roles. I did a lot of voice work in New York where I was hired and the casting director was familiar with this.
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